Desmond wrote:
Well...It seems like CBT is all onother thing in your country Julian. Here it is like I said. But of course, here it's called KBT (Kognetiv beteende terapi) But I believe it's the same thing.

Here it workes like, "think of this when you feel that comming" "Do that when you feel this" And I can't take that. Thanks for the advice though

No problem.

From my experience, CBT (once it's taken off its leather coat, of course) is about learning to recognise how the thoughts you think affect:

1. Your state of mind
2. Your moods and emotions, and
3. Your behaviour

Something I would have considered well worth learning, since you can then use the same process to:

1. Change your state of mind at will
2. Change your mood or emotion as needed, or
3. Control unwanted behaviour

It does require some self discipline though, but at a level far lower than most magic. As such, it would be a good introduction to working on personal change which is a big component of the magical path.

YOU MADE A VERY VALID POINT THERE IN REFERENCE TO BEHAVIOR AND IN THE USE OF MAGIC.

how about how thought effects everything?

It can effect your health, energy levels and relationships ( or lack there of.)not to mention the universe around you.

Yet it's thought that we have the hardest time controlling.

( I put away the riding crop, it's safe now)

heroheidR wrote:
how about how thought effects everything?

It can effect your health, energy levels and relationships ( or lack there of.)not to mention the universe around you.

Yet it's thought that we have the hardest time controlling.

( I put away the riding crop, it's safe now)

I couldn't possibly argue with that.

CBT teaches people to focus on one area though (the mind, brain, body connection) and as such allows us to understand how this influence can occur. By providing a credible physical model, it permits people who are trapped in the scientific model of mind to at least use some of their mental processes to improve their lives.

Although people tend to think of CBT as a scientific approach (as it confines its area of competence to known scientific principles), it is still extremely useful as part of a wider approach to life.

DUDE!!!
ok, so I'm a real dope. Here we are talkign about therapies for bipolar and mood disorders and I completely forget about three basic herbs. < dope slaps self>

Kava Kava a mood enhancer with out the nasty euphoric effects that make you feel like you've been doped out of your mind.

St johns wort, Yeah yeah. But it is a good and effective mood elevator again without the nasty side effects.

Valerian root. tastes like butt ( raw dog butt at that)but it does work as a sedative and calmative ( after all this is where the active ingredient for valium comes from) non-addictive ( something that's in the whole herb and not the chemical extract) it will help you go to sleep. Especially if you combine it with a little of that other mixture you were talikg about and add just a little bit of hops to the mix. No choice, you will be going to dreamland in a little bit. ( the faster the more of this that you drink)

Sometimes you have to give my memory a kick in the teeth, Des. Sorry I didn't remember this sooner.

It's Okey April. don't be sorry, I'm glad you remembered

I'll read more about those herbs. They interest me, But its a big resposibility. The only one you can get from a docter here is St johns wort (wich alone might trigger a mania, so you get litte to happy) But as you say, A mixture might do the trick. But I will read much first. after all I'm not in balance from the start.

Thanks again April!